1 00:00:00,000 --> 00:00:07,000 No new comer to this station. He was here with our news department. How long you been 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:09,280 out here John? 3 00:00:09,280 --> 00:00:11,240 A little over a year. 4 00:00:11,240 --> 00:00:18,080 Yeah, and he's been in the newspaper and public relations business for a low these many years. 5 00:00:18,080 --> 00:00:23,520 And I think by his own admission the story he had relative to the unidentified flying 6 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:30,520 object was probably the highlight of the things he's written so far. And I hope you 7 00:00:30,520 --> 00:00:36,520 were cognizant of the three which are the three episodes which have appeared and the 8 00:00:36,520 --> 00:00:42,520 fourth and the fifth one is in the edition which is now or should be very soon on the 9 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:44,440 street. Is that correct? 10 00:00:44,440 --> 00:00:51,440 I saw a preview of it a little bit ago. And in it John as far as the hills of New Hampshire 11 00:00:52,440 --> 00:00:59,440 from Portsmouth the I believe the Air Force said that it is not going to take any further 12 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:05,440 examination of this and as far as it the Air Force is concerned the case is closed. Is that 13 00:01:05,440 --> 00:01:11,440 true? Well they've said in words of one syllable Fred we are not interested period. 14 00:01:11,440 --> 00:01:18,440 Have you tried to dig a little further into the Air Force reaction? Why they take that 15 00:01:18,440 --> 00:01:25,440 and is that a closed door that just you can't penetrate? Well it isn't as much a closed 16 00:01:25,440 --> 00:01:32,440 door as getting the swerve. There are many many people who feel that the Air Force is 17 00:01:32,440 --> 00:01:38,440 no more than window dressing that in fact the Central Intelligence Agency is actively 18 00:01:38,440 --> 00:01:44,440 investigating all of these confirmed sightings that the Air Force superficially can't explain. 19 00:01:44,440 --> 00:01:50,440 And in a quick recap for people who may not be familiar with this John has written this 20 00:01:50,440 --> 00:01:57,440 series on a couple from Portsmouth, New Hampshire who according to the story will you tell it 21 00:01:57,440 --> 00:02:02,440 John you've recorded. Let's see if I remember it. This involves a couple by the name of 22 00:02:02,440 --> 00:02:09,440 Bonnie and Betty Hill who are outstanding and upstanding citizens in their community in 23 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:16,440 Portsmouth, New Hampshire. On the night of September 19th to 20th spanning midnight of 24 00:02:16,440 --> 00:02:22,440 1961 they were driving home from Montreal to Portsmouth by way of Franconian Arch, New 25 00:02:22,440 --> 00:02:29,440 Hampshire in room 3. This story is divided now into three basic parts. First the initial 26 00:02:29,440 --> 00:02:36,440 sighting of an unidentified flying object. Its actions with maneuvering in the sky so 27 00:02:36,440 --> 00:02:41,440 captivated them that they stopped, got out of that car, looked for some several minutes, 28 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:47,440 decided they had enough, got back into the car and proceeded again en route home. Several 29 00:02:47,440 --> 00:02:54,440 minutes and several miles later they were aware of this very same object now hovering 30 00:02:54,440 --> 00:03:00,440 directly over that car as that car continued in motion. They stopped the car again and 31 00:03:00,440 --> 00:03:06,440 got out and this time took with them binoculars that were in the front seat in which they 32 00:03:06,440 --> 00:03:12,440 had taken along for vacation purposes in Canada. They looked through the binoculars and saw 33 00:03:12,440 --> 00:03:18,440 this object hovering perhaps a hundred feet above that car to one side of the road. 34 00:03:18,440 --> 00:03:24,440 Apparently staring at them. That's right. And the hills of course through the binoculars 35 00:03:24,440 --> 00:03:33,440 stayed back and saw movement aboard the spaceship, life. And I say spaceship in quotes I don't 36 00:03:33,440 --> 00:03:40,440 know any more than you do whether or not this was a spaceship. Whatever it was they saw 37 00:03:40,440 --> 00:03:49,440 humanoids through the dual row of glass windows. Now this sight so unnerved them particularly 38 00:03:49,440 --> 00:03:57,440 Mr. Hill. They now got into that car and sped away for what they thought was their own lives. 39 00:03:57,440 --> 00:04:04,440 Another ten minutes perhaps and several miles down the road they rounded a curve to the left 40 00:04:04,440 --> 00:04:11,440 and that car in expectably just stopped and rolled to a complete halt. And there alongside 41 00:04:11,440 --> 00:04:25,440 the road at ground level was this immense intense orange glow. And several men dressed in rather 42 00:04:25,440 --> 00:04:34,440 strange uniforms much like motorcyclists were lined across the road. These people tried to 43 00:04:34,440 --> 00:04:40,440 stop that car to drive around until as they say to get the heck out of there. The car wouldn't 44 00:04:40,440 --> 00:04:49,440 start. These men came over, removed them from the car, escorted them to the source of this light in the 45 00:04:49,440 --> 00:04:57,440 woods. And they were taken aboard what purported to be a spaceship. For the next two hours they were 46 00:04:57,440 --> 00:05:04,440 submitted to a complete physical and intellectual examination. Question quite minutely about life on 47 00:05:04,440 --> 00:05:11,440 earth. The questioners themselves seem to be very unfamiliar with the very basics of our existence. 48 00:05:11,440 --> 00:05:13,440 But they did speak English, didn't they? 49 00:05:13,440 --> 00:05:22,440 One spoke English. And again there is, for purposes of writing, we say spoke English. There is no 50 00:05:22,440 --> 00:05:30,440 evidence that there were words exchanged and if it occurred it might have occurred via telepathic 51 00:05:30,440 --> 00:05:39,440 communication. But for the next two hours these people were utterly removed from this earth. Not 52 00:05:39,440 --> 00:05:46,440 physically but they just entered another world the moment they entered that spaceship. After the 53 00:05:46,440 --> 00:05:52,440 examination was complete the leader of this group told us the hills that they would never ever remember 54 00:05:52,440 --> 00:06:01,440 what happened. And they didn't. They didn't until some several months afterwards when Mrs. Hill began to 55 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:11,440 experience a succession of dreams so horrendous that they began affecting hill waking hours. And she told her 56 00:06:11,440 --> 00:06:19,440 husband about the dreams and the mention of what she saw as disjointures, disconnected as it was, began 57 00:06:19,440 --> 00:06:27,440 to stimulate things in his subconscious. They both went to a psychiatrist in New Hampshire. The 58 00:06:27,440 --> 00:06:34,440 psychiatrist offered as much help as he could but apparently he was just unsuccessful at getting to the 59 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:42,440 root of whatever this problem was. So he arranged for them to come here to Boston to the offices of a 60 00:06:42,440 --> 00:06:52,440 rather eminent and quite professional psycho hypnotist. And it required another seven or eight months of 61 00:06:52,440 --> 00:07:02,440 hypnotic therapy. But under hypnosis these people were able to give a very very graphic account of what they 62 00:07:02,440 --> 00:07:10,440 say happened aboard the ship relating conversations, relating little things that one wouldn't ordinarily 63 00:07:10,440 --> 00:07:22,440 remember. For instance in yesterday's installment we recall how at one point several of the occupants of the 64 00:07:22,440 --> 00:07:31,440 ship ran excitedly into the room where Mrs. Hill was being examined. And one of them asked for her to open her 65 00:07:31,440 --> 00:07:40,440 mouth and they began tugging at her teeth. And she said in effect, what are you doing? And what had happened was 66 00:07:40,440 --> 00:07:47,440 a minutes earlier while Mr. Hill was being examined separately was discovered that he had false teeth and they 67 00:07:47,440 --> 00:07:55,440 had never encountered anything like this before. And they were stunned beyond words. Absolutely. Well that happens, I 68 00:07:55,440 --> 00:08:03,440 presume to many a person who isn't involved in anything as exciting as the Hill story, the business of suddenly 69 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:10,440 discovering someone with a set of artificial teeth. And before we get back to the hills of New Hampshire, five after 70 00:08:10,440 --> 00:08:16,440 twelve, that people will be in great number heading in the direction of the hill to see if they can extract 71 00:08:16,440 --> 00:08:27,440 information which has not been told. John, you must have run into the situation that people, whether they be Hill to somebody 72 00:08:27,440 --> 00:08:37,440 else and go through an encounter like this, are entitled to some consideration of privacy and yet how do you, what was 73 00:08:37,440 --> 00:08:47,440 your reaction, how did you approach the thing with what thought? Well it was my thought and then of course it was also 74 00:08:47,440 --> 00:08:55,440 reflected in the ultimate decision of the Boston Traveler that certainly these people deserved every single consideration. 75 00:08:55,440 --> 00:09:05,440 But then where do you draw the line between maintaining a certain degree of personal privacy or the public's right to know? 76 00:09:05,440 --> 00:09:14,440 That would be a big one to answer, don't ask me. And in making this decision it had to be made abundantly clear to all of the 77 00:09:14,440 --> 00:09:21,440 readers that number one, the hills themselves did not initiate this with the Boston Traveler. In fact even though they have received me 78 00:09:21,440 --> 00:09:29,440 very very cordially, have talked to me a great length, they have not chosen to talk about any of the incidents at all. 79 00:09:29,440 --> 00:09:39,440 Well then you've had to use the best knowledge and know-how and the tools of your trade as a final reporter to dig all 80 00:09:39,440 --> 00:09:50,440 this out to run this five series I would imagine. But digging alone consumed well over two months. Is that so? The writing took another month. 81 00:09:50,440 --> 00:10:02,440 And how long now that this series has concluded or will conclude today, this doesn't necessarily end your interest in it I'm sure. 82 00:10:02,440 --> 00:10:03,440 No not at all. 83 00:10:03,440 --> 00:10:06,440 And how has the public's interest been generated John? 84 00:10:06,440 --> 00:10:17,440 Apparently for what we're told of the Traveler this series has received a fantastic response, not only in newspaper sales, but the hundreds of people who 85 00:10:17,440 --> 00:10:27,440 have called the Traveler. And you know as well as I do being in the business I was once in that it takes a lot to get people either to sit down and 86 00:10:27,440 --> 00:10:38,440 write a two penny postcard or to pick up the phone and dial. And in this case people were saying wonderful, fantastic. Not that we believe now 87 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:45,440 anymore in UFOs than we ever did. But the story is so compelling we feel that we have to read it. 88 00:10:45,440 --> 00:10:58,440 And extremely creditable. You know for the benefit of people who may not have caught perhaps the first or second or may not have heard about the series until right now. 89 00:10:58,440 --> 00:11:09,440 Is there a possibility that this series will be run again or perhaps all five of the episodes in one Sunday edition or something. 90 00:11:09,440 --> 00:11:12,440 Because it's so great I hate to think of anyone missing it. 91 00:11:12,440 --> 00:11:21,440 I don't know what management plans are. It would be nice because I know that there are many many people who've tried to go out and buy a copy of the Boston 92 00:11:21,440 --> 00:11:25,440 Traveler at night upon hearing of this and the newsstands are just cleaned out. 93 00:11:25,440 --> 00:11:27,440 Maybe they can get it on back issues. 94 00:11:27,440 --> 00:11:31,440 I think they can if they get a whole other circulation department. 95 00:11:31,440 --> 00:11:45,440 And the thing is now that it's done and the story is completed are you in a position to give your own personal feeling about the entire situation. 96 00:11:45,440 --> 00:11:47,440 Do you believe it? 97 00:11:47,440 --> 00:11:56,440 Well that is the question most commonly asked of me during the course of this series. Do I believe it? And I don't know whether I believe it or not. 98 00:11:56,440 --> 00:12:00,440 I don't think really it's important whether or not I believe it. 99 00:12:00,440 --> 00:12:13,440 I think my function is number one to unearth the facts as Jack Webb used to say to present them in as objective and as well balanced the manner as possible 100 00:12:13,440 --> 00:12:18,440 and let the readers decide for themselves because I am not a scientific person. 101 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:23,440 I can't make these determinations but people do have minds of their own. 102 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:29,440 They've been seeing things now in the skies for years and years and what they see is there. 103 00:12:29,440 --> 00:12:33,440 Perhaps there is a very plausible explanation for what they see. 104 00:12:33,440 --> 00:12:40,440 Well I certainly have taken an interest and I'm a great and an imaginative. 105 00:12:40,440 --> 00:12:50,440 I have a great imagination and have been fascinated by this whole business of the unidentified flying object. 106 00:12:50,440 --> 00:12:57,440 Nothing has captivated me like this series of stories that you had running this week in the traveler. 107 00:12:57,440 --> 00:13:07,440 And I can't say enough to urge everybody who has an iota of interest to go out and make an effort if you have to borrow it from the neighbor to read it 108 00:13:07,440 --> 00:13:19,440 because it will really get you to the point where I think maybe a wave of public demand will be such that perhaps the Pentagon will have to change its thinking 109 00:13:19,440 --> 00:13:21,440 and come forward with something. 110 00:13:21,440 --> 00:13:31,440 Meanwhile to you, John Yatrell, congratulations on a very fascinating article and thanks very much for stopping in here long enough to go a little more into detail on it. 111 00:13:31,440 --> 00:13:36,440 Well thanks so much Fred. Now if I could only do something about these little green men on my roof. 112 00:13:36,440 --> 00:13:41,440 Good for you. I'll come over after the show and we can get rid of them. 113 00:13:41,440 --> 00:13:46,440 The Fred B. Cole program with John Yatrell as our special guest will continue in five minutes.